38 special 125 grain load data bullseye

I have a few 30-30 cases modified to shoot singles with a very light load. This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great. The fast powders, W231, HP38, Bullseye would go over pressure very quickly with any slight changes, in seating depth or primer change. No benchrest, nothing but two shakey hands holding the pistol. I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. TITEGROUP AND 125GR 38 SPECIAL LOAD DATA Ammunition-Gunsmithing Reloading Forum Register Notices Consider Becoming A Supporting Member Click HERE For The Benefits Reloading All Reloading Topics Go Here Thread Tools Display Modes # 1 01-24-2016, 05:38 AM RONALD HENSLEY Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Waynesville NC Posts: 114 Likes: 12 As for the load ya the 158gr will probably take a little more, but your gun will tell you how much more.. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. Hornady Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. LOL. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air. Unique was a sooty powder so Ive switched to W231. Paste as plain text instead, Hodgdon gives starting load of 4.0 grains and 4.4 grains MAX. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. 5.) Lord only knows how many cartridge cases I hammered with a plastic mallet into that Lee, it had to be thousands. Most notably the lighter weight bullets. Does anyone have any luck with Jacked Bullets. Would you like to react to this message? hebyta I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. Their biggest use is in making screws and small bolts. With the powders you listed I would try Bullseye, 231, and Unique in that order. There is a difference in the manufacturing process of swaged bullets. I carry 38 /357 every day have used them in real world shootings. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. I wanted a good carry gun that was light and reliable, so I decided that the .38 would fit and I just went with it. These are put into a large hydraulic press and extruded into a continuous coil of wire. Anything goes with bullets. 4.2 gr. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. That sounds. Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. I thought about trying 2.5 gr. I dont see much conversation on these specifics but I think Its all about the size of the explosion in the chamber. WST for .38 special 125 gr plated bullets, Re: WST for .38 special 125 gr plated bullets. Based on this Id load some at 3.3 and 3.5 and see what you get, but Id never exceed 3.8 ever. The mention of a Lee Loader somewhere above took me back to the good-old days. Anyone know where I can download a chart where all the powders burning rates (regardless of manufacturer) is listed. This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. You will find plenty of Red Dot loads there. .38 special has got to be one of the best calibers there is . The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. I would say I completely disagree with you on ever even contemplating using a revolver for self defense unless you are a person that has never owned a gun and not likely ever to practice with it. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. The key to those rounds, in spite of their paltry muzzle velocity of something like 825 feet per second out of a snubbie, is their diameter and mass: they will make significant diameter holes and penetrate respectably in attackers. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. A gun on you always works better than the gun left at home. If you're looking for a real light load that's easy to shoot, I'd just use WW's data for the W231 with a 125 gr. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! Rookie, back in the day when I was reloading I went through a 3 round butt L. Horton special model 24, a 4 24 and a 4 624. Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. Your email address will not be published. I guess its out of production now- I havent seen it (or heard of it) in years. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. I just bought some 158 gr SWC bullets that are pure lead. Dont get me wrong: I think the Smith and Wesson Model 642 Airweight revolver is an outstanding self-defense (concealed carry) revolver and you wont feel/care about how snappy/unpleasant the recoil may be in a real self-defense event. The range (understandably) insisted you shoot their ammunition and the mildest they had was 158 grain LRN standard pressure. I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. How Do I Choose Good Self-Defense Ammo For My Handgun? You are spot on about Trail Boss, that stuff is magical with cast reloads. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. That revolver is aluminum and cannot handle the pressure of 9MM. This produces about 550-650fps from a 1 7/8 barrel and feels like shooting a very powerful .22LR. Yes, I had no issues with the 38 SPL, but the 32 is just more FUN- especially when I get seven shots of it in a revolver the size of J frame! 7, No. ES 56 SD 24 PMC Eldorado Starfire +P 125 gr. The bullets are seated flush in the case. The majority of my shooting with .38 has taken place with soft lead bullets. Choosing a bullet Classic loads are economical. (This is prevalent among most aftermarket designs- they are smallest in the longest, strongest finger area, and largest at the bottom pinkie area.). There have been guns Ive bought for the caliber, but the .38 wasnt one of those. True enough that it doesnt make power factor for Custom Defensive Pistol in IDPA or major in USPSA competition. Ideal load in a 2 J Frame .38. Shoots well in my K-38, 686, and a friend's K-38 at 50 yards in the Ransom rest. Never got around to trying the T grips. The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. What I have found most remarkable is how well some pistols that typically fling wide groups have clustered the semiwadcutters. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. CorBon Self Defense, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Jacketed Hollow Point, +P, 20 Round Box 38125 When I teach other people the basics of reloading, I teach them on the .38 SPL. Thinking of using it in NRA Action pistol or PPC. Your previous content has been restored. The design of this modern revolver makes the SW guns seem archaic. As I researched loads in the meantime, I kept seeing the same several popping up again and again in sources from as recent as yesterday to long out of print books from when air travel was a newfangled wonder. Over 20,000 rounds, Ive found that theres rarely a wrong way to do .38 SPL. This is not loaded 9mm ammo. I fired 3 Remington 125 SJHP 357s from a 340 and thought i had nerve damage in my hand. (Same issue found with a 12 oz. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! Load it in 38 Special dies. Shot many thousands of my bullseye powder reloads with it. Larry Gibson "Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing." Nikola Tesla 01-30-2020, 01:43 PM #9 Mr_Flintstone Boolit Buddy Join Date Jan 2020 Location I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. It doesnt appear like there is much of an advantage in using WST with lighter weight bullets. Be careful about published sources (and doubly so about internet sources), regarding maximum loads for the 38 special. Fifty yards of course is the preferred distance. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. Some people then claimed SAAMI raised the 357 Mag to 45,000. I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. I recently picked up a 396 Nightguard and am a convert to the 44 Special! I checked out Alliant's website-no data for flat point with the powders I have, but data for Gold Dot HPs for Bullseye and Unique. Most of these are at the upper end. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. A significant difference in speeds is usually noted. I found the plated wadcutters to have NO accuracy. Its worth mentioning that loaders do all kinds of obsessive rituals to squeeze the groups down. SWC, 160 gr. Instead, Ive favored things like the K and L frame Smiths (5 screw pre-model 10 and 686 in my case) and Ruger revolvers for higher round count activities. For any loads over 900-1,000 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed bullet. In a 1909 vintage Smith & Wesson target .38, the 2.7-grain load cut a nearly one-inch cluster, showing that classics go well together. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. The 919 case is tapered and therefore wider at the base than the .38 special is. I never enjoyed touching off a 357 Mag in a K frame, and I cannot imagine the discomfort of firing it in anything smaller or lighter. Im still new to reloading, having done 2500 38 spl with bullseye. revolver, with a 3 barrel, and 4 6 oz. I bought a Ruger Alaskan in 454 Casull last year ahead of a hunt up in Wyoming. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company 3 gr of WST in a 38 spl case with 125 gr plated bullet is a very light load. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. If all you practice with is the easy comfortable stuff, its not really practice. 3.) Similarly on drills with set times such as firing five shots in five seconds onto a bull at ten yards, the Bullseye load allows a little more time per shot to take advantage of a great 1911 trigger and lets the shooter nearly push shots into the same hole. I go with the cheap and easy shake and bake technique that requires only plastic Glad container with a lid, handful of black 6mm BBs and old toaster owen. Home About Partners Contact. WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. 38 Special 125 gr XTP American Gunner Item #90324 | 25/Box The American Gunner line of ammunition is a collection of tried-and-true, versatile loads that are popular with shooters for their target shooting, hunting or self-defense needs. IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. Reading the "WARNING" on the site, it states to not exceed the loads published and to start 10% below the loads shown and work up from there. But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War. NULLI SECUNDUS. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. Insufficient crimping ) ARCHIVED. Swaged bullets do not have the hardness of poured (cast) lead. 2.7 GR WST IS TOO LIGHT FOR THE 50 YD LINE. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. A GI surplus 1911 that puts most loads into dinner-plate sized groups cut 3.8 inches with the classic recipewhich is probably the only time Ive gotten excited about an almost four-inch group! The Internet Pedant ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Horrible 5-12" groups at 25 yds. I just got some clays which I heard was very clean burning compare to bullseye. That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. 3 1/2" average not included flyers which seem to happen on every group test. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. No matter where you look, the first mention in classic loads for the .38 Special is a 148-grain wadcutter over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. You have entered an incorrect email address! If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. Only need cast when driving up to 1200 fps or so. Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. Brass collection is easy since it doesnt eject. are you loading .38 special brass, or .357 magnum brass? I have two editions of it from different years that have that data. In my time with the cartridge, I have come to appreciate the mid to low end of the power spectrum and thus have made extensive use of Trail Boss powder and bullets such as Hornadys .358 158gr SWC. So I'd think you should find a decent load for short line at about 700 Fps and for the long line at about 800. So if you find a "lead" load it is also a plated load. The flyers tend to be severe. is so simple. From my Hornady Third Edition manual 38 Special 158 Grain Lead Round Nose #3586 Win 231 3.0 Grains 650 FPS 4.4 Grains 850 FPS Now I will tell you from experience you do NOT want to load Lead Bullets Fast. I shoot almost exclusively cast lead from my handguns. Use data for weight. Enter to win an FN FAL Rifle. The quality of the loads equals a bargain. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. Canister Sizes: View All Bullseye Recipes .38 Special (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 353 loads. Love my 642 for concealed carry, but have an SP101 (also a snubby) in .38 special (only) for use on the range. If you are new to reloading. The 4.0 grain load is relatively mild recoil and was accurate. JHP, (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet). DR loads (158gr Remington swaged LSWC over 3.6gr AA#2 in Winchester .38 Special cases) I shoot American eagle, remington factory,remington umc, and mag tech. I cannot begin to fathom shooting 20,000 rounds out of that revolver! Also some WSF. Ive been reloading and shooting for over 40 years and love revolvers but 90% of the time my carry gun is a Sig 365 with a 12 round mag and a spare. 38 spl.s. Its just two lubed balls on top of each other with the top ball roll crimped just past the hemisphere. Something like the Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 yup, theyre the best caliber for those size revolvers. As I said I am not familiar with your frame and suspect it is one of the latest models out by Smith. In terms of the best stopping power for .38 Special, I personally like 150 grain full wadcutters or 158 grain hollowpoint semi-wadcutters. Both have fed 100% in a variety of pistols and have shot very well. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. Hornady Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. At 25 you can get away with a lighter load. less to start.) Midway has it in stock. ), I very much wanted to start with some tried-and-true Bullseye loads, but it took an epic scavenger hunt across many months to find a canister of the elusive classic. I'm guessing they still go bang, and leave the gun to go downrange. If youre recoil averse (and dont have a disability of some kind), its because you havent shot it enough. So I expect recoil would be substantial and not very target-ish. People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. 1995-2022. However recoil will be the limiting factor especially for the short line. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). .38 Special +P (Alliant Reloaders Guide) Warning! I get okay accuracy with 4.4 of W-W 231 and 125s, depending on what bullet is used. You can fit 7.1gr of powder under the 125gn JHP bullet? These grips seem quite comfortable and afford a pinkie finger rest for improved control albeit with a certain loss of concealability. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company accuracy. Caveat: I have decided that I want to be prepared for threat scenarios that include stopping a terrorist or spree-killer (the odds of which I fully recognize is statistically zero). Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. head I use 3.2gr. Bullseye is primarily associated with .38 and .45after all, it says right on the bottle: Great for .38 Special and .45 Auto target loads. But it is equally at home in high-velocity auto loads. DISTINGUISHED LOADS SUCK - Distinguished Revolver loads that don't suck? THAT TIME IS BETTER SPENT LEARNING HOW TO SHOOT THE REVOLVER IN THE RAPID FIRE PORTION. 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. 300 Blackout Fine-Tuning: Finding the Right Barrel Length for Your Rifle. Just shows the importance of trying/checking the feel of a gun and if possible, test firing it, before you buy it. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. Powder coating. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. Especially if you reload. Best and most realistic article about the .38 special ive found. https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. Accurates No. 9mm 125 grain RN Lead Hard Cast Bullet. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting : The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and . head I use 3.2gr. In a day you can make over 100,000 bullets. As example, 5.8 6.0 grains UNIQUE with a 125 grain HP in a snub nose .357 revolver. And, oh yeah. Most people have one general power level for their semi-autos due to the fact that the guns wont function with ammo thats not energetic enough to cycle the slide. 2.9 of Clays is soft enough and dead accurate at 50yds. Power Pistol won't work for me. is a good place to start. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. An early Les Baer .45 knotted a group of the lead SWCs into a tight 1.3-inch group, while an M&P .45 did 1.25 inches. These bullets shot to point of aim in modern S&W snubbies, but the older M10-5 was regulated with 158 grain bullets and 125's shoot low. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. in 158 weight berry's bullet 3.8 grains of bullseye with a taper crimp. Hornady also has load data for the 110-grain .357 XTP for the lower-pressure .38 Automatic. "Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are the finest bonded copper-jacketed bullets available today.." ?. The Charter Arms .44 models are potential CCWs, but are too light to properly handle the .44 spl. Load shot well out of a variety of service handguns. I just bought a Lyman mold 160 round nose with a crimp groove. It would seem that a 125 grain GDHP is of the same weight and would have a similar profile to what you want to use. Some use powders dispersed in liquids, some use electrostatic guns to spray dry powder on their bullets. When I finally took the plunge and started handloading (FIRST SHOTS WITH HANDLOADING: How Hard Can It Be? In my area, Bullseye is one of the first powders to disappear from shelves, lasting about a heartbeat longer than an econo bulk box of .22 Long Rifle ammunition. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. If I do carry a revolver its my 642 with a laser grip in my right front pocket or my SW model 69 5 shot 44 mag. Interesting. Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 9 customer ratings. Modern .38 spl std HP load is more than enough, dont over think it. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. But not too tough. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. The proof pressure MAP specified by SAAMI is 29,500 psi for both rounds. Note the dark band of lube on the 3 lead bullets. Notes: Bbl Length: 5.6; primer: Fed. https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck?highlight=distinguished+++%2Bloads, Load question on Penn Bullets for Distinguished load. Normal, mild .38 loads work fine with lead bullets. It has been many years since I used a Lee Loader and a wooden mallet to reload 8mm Mauser. Between that, some other info on other forums, Winchester's data for a lead flat point, and numbers from loaddata.com, I think I have some to start with. I have loaded wadcutters for plinking , Double end 148 grain,, mixed brass over 2.7 gn WST or Bullseye. Ask your Dealer, or call Hodgdon), has a Cowboy Load section, (near the center fold), that lists data for about all SASS calibers. Ive saved all my .38 brass over the last couple of years for whenever I find time to get into reloading. 110gr JHP! Load with 38 S&W data. I have found that some powder coated bullets which are the same weight as lead, feel quite punchy out of the gun. 357 Magnum 35,000 158 gr. I just dont like practicing with it. I too must be older than my years (35), as I love reloading .38SPL and have a S&W 442, S&W 36, and my most recent acquisition is a S&W 19-5 that is an absolute joy to shoot. The mild recoil of the mid-range load is a perfect mate to the .38s that most shooters own these daysthe airweight J-Frame or equivalent. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. I've tried Berry's plated as well as Remington. That isnt unique to Bullseye, but is certainly more pronounced with the relatively small charges required. I agree with your .38 Special assessment points for the very same reasons. For me, the 32 H&R Mag is my 357 Mag, and the 32 S&W Long is my 38 SPL. Testing out some bullseye with 125 berry's bullets.. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. No offense sir but those charges look low for Unique. I'd rather shoot my .45 then. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. Biggest problem I had was the lubricating cases for sizing and then cleaning them afterwards, I guess grit was somehow scratching the cases after getting stuck in the lube. I've tried 2.8, 3.0, and 3.2. The 38 Special Ball round was designed a long time ago to comply with specifications laid down for ammo that was : 1) Compliant with the Hague Accords of 1907 in regard to "unnecessarily" injurious ammunition. Loath and Loathe are different words that mean different things. Bullseye is the classic pistol powder and the backbone of many pet loads. Smith & Wesson Model 27 .357 Magnum (because no 6-inch Smith & Wesson .38 Special revolver was on hand). ES 27 SD 12 Independence 130 grain FMJ round nose MV 892 fps ME 230 ft./lbs. Seems like everyone is all orgasmic about bigger, faster, more of, etc. Shot placement is just as important if not more. : 13,300 16,800 Starting Powder: 6.0 gr Starting Velocity: 1,266 I have tried several different grips before finding the one that worked for me. I here from quite a few that 3.5 gr of bullseye is a good load for 158 gr lead Bullets for bullseye shooting. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads.

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