can i mix polymeric sand with pea gravel

Thats the basic formula. The first option that I gave will not keep 100 percent of the gravel in placebut most of it, yesand if you remember to use modified gravel, gravel with smaller chips and stone dust in it, then it should feel pretty sturdy underfoot. If stone chips are getting all over the surface of your flagstone, then the joints are probably over filled. (Note: I am not a professional, but love to DYI landscape). I have completed about 25% of the 800 sf of patio and walkway via this method. I just put down some pea gravel around my fire pit area and now anytime someone walks on it the gravel gets into the mulch and all over. Anyone use this sand to firm up a stone driveway? Devin-Way to go! Then tamp. Maybe 6 yardS of 1/4 minus (decomposed granite is more expensive, just ask for 1/4 minus, or pathway fines). We visited a tourist attraction that had done this. If you do this, please keep me updated, let me know how it works. The patio comes off the basement door and is surround on three sides by 4-5 retaining walls, and had a 4 drain in the pave patioit was sinking especially around the drain. Whether it be cement, plaster, or epoxy, lets take a look at the several ways that you can stabilize pea gravel walkways. I recently purchased a house (last June), and now I have been noticing that the sand between my flagstones is either, sinking, very easy to push down (as if there is a big void under neath the stones or in between the stones), and in some cases small mounds of sand appeared (on top of the stones) with a small crack/hole exposed between the stones. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Other solutions, please? Its looks like a flat matte color where there was poly sand and where no poly sand you see a beautiful high gloss high color finish.this is the best analogy I can think of. Ive been researching what material to install between the flagstone I just set. Also can I expect your comment via email or simply on this site? https://www.rmtnlandscape.com/products/flagstone/1131-colorado-red-tumbled-steppers2. Clean the joint of all dust and debri. It is also nice to know you are willing to travel if I have a job in the future that meets your criteria! Sure, but not forever. The article above addresses flagstone joints in a dry laid applicationwith a gravel foundation. And just fill the joints wit local soil. And, if so, is there a way to do this so you dont see the border material for the finished project? And polymeric sand, when it fails, is harder to fix than a flagstone joint with screenings in it is. Just sitting on a little sand and a lot of clay. The other site is wrong. Hi Devin. With stone dust the most you have to do is top of the joints every once in awhile. Hate it? It will crack. The sales guy who sold the glue mess to the general contractor (yes, I subbed, once upon a time!) Have you seen this used with travertine tile in an outdoor pool deck in Florida? A fragment of flagstone that is 8 inches by 3 inches by 2.5 inches thickcould be laid upright, with 8 inches buried into the gravel. This is basically putting an acrylic binder, liquid plastic, on top of the joints. But I will make sure to get the screenings that include the eighth inch particles as well. Stone dust will work. Allow the stone duts to dry and bond then come back use a non-shrinking exterior grout bewteen the flagstones..sound good?.Thanks for any input, Frank. I never recommend sealing flagstone. Sure, you could do that. Installing loose pea gravel is relatively simple compared to other hardscaping materials. If an area is Shady or damp then sometimes that can cause thin algae growth that can make flagstones look dirty. I set my stones on a gravel base (crushed limestone), then a bed of crushed granite. It locks gravel together and stays permeable. I appreciate the advice. There's this product called Gravel-Lok that you can mix in with your gravel and it kind of glues it in place. Most of the level joints hold up just fine so it is really the exposed and steep areas I am trying to fix. Ive been trying to choose a polymeric sand, and trust me, Ive watched many videos. Ive never seen any ratio of cement to stone dust/sand that works. This downward slope on each side will help with water runoff and prevent washouts. Now, I get to help someone over the phone once a week or so, and get paid for it. Thank you for your devotion to this subject. Flagstone, and such-like. 2.5 inches over a ten foot span will be enough, provided there are no major dips. Thanks for advice. My patio is quite old 30 years, or more. The gravel was solidly stuck together. I know, you said youre not into sandneither am I, for flagstone joints. Wed like to use a contrasting product to highlight the design and fill in the empty space. But what do you do if you need to fix cracking polymeric sand? Can you help me understand the difference between decomposed granite and screenings? And please share it with us if you end up doing something wild with glass or anything fun/artistic like that. Metal is more durable, but no matter what border you choose, it should be at least 1/2 inch above the ground outside the perimeter. In warmer places, a 3 to 4 inch gravel base is more common. Right now I am waiting for the contractor and his crew to show up to fix the problem. does polymeric come in colors? Otherwise, the DG gets everywhere. Theres household cleaners out there, they sell them at the big box stores, probably grocery stores too maybe idk, but its a citrus extract and you have to be careful when cleaning with it because it dissolves some types of plastic. But sand wont help and if you do not want to do it proper to begin withthen what you already have is probably fine. I was thinking about trying a 4' wide path going back to the horse barn. Bulldozer or dynamite will be most expedient, but you can probably do the deed with a pick axe/pick maddock, and a wheelbarrow and shovel. I have patio pavers with gravel between pavers instead of polymeric sand. I have in place 30 year old clay brick patios and walkways. I just want to say thank you for your articles and all the questions youve answered on here. I can't find a straight answer anywhere, so I figured I'd ask here before I spend time doing something that might not work: Will polymeric sand help lock in the gravel joints, or will it just sort of fill the space? Polymeric sand is usually available in grey, dark grey, and yellow-grey. PDF for Aggregates/Sand & Gravel Washing Polymer Additions. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, http://www.alliancegator.com/2011/gator-stone-bond/, http://www.alliancegator.com/2011/gator-rock-bond-liquid-binding-agent/, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Just finished laying a patio of large natural stone2-4 thick in a shaded area. Its important to compact it thoroughly with a heavy-duty roller. https://www.devineescapes.com/how-to-clean-dry-laid-flagstone/%, Third heading down, How to install stone dust in between your flagstones, Basically, sweep the stone dust into the joints, sweep up the excess, hose down on shower setting, repeat. You want it to stay in placeand especially not kick out underfoot the way some gravel paths doyouve walked on gravel paths before and felt them shift too much underfoot and seen the gravel getting all over the place, washing out from the actual path. Hope that helps and I wish you good luck! Lots sell stone dust which is grey. Replace joint material with a mix of topsoil and gravel or stone dust. Every time it rains, screening from my joints splatters into my stone and patio furniture. Thanks Im advance for your help. Send photos and info to devin@devineescapes.com. But, you came to me with a need and Id rather give you a complete answer. Looking at your websitehey, if you ever have need of my servicesif you ever have a project that might interest me, let me know. Ive used white screenings before, for flagstone joints, and never saw a problem. Tamp the soila hand tamper that you buy at the hardware store will work just fine, a plate compactor will spare you the strain (rob you of a good work-out.Ill be honest, a very good work-out. I love the look of pea gravel, but it sure doesn't handle traffic well. But d-limonene does dissolve a few types of plastic, so I am thinking that d-limonene with a wire-brush just might do the trick. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The 2nd link has what theyre calling decomposed granite, but given my calling around locally, I question if thats the same stuff as what you specify. Video of the Day. 2. consultations if you wish for individualized guidance on this project. Take a look at some of the polymer sealers out there, Gator Dust, by Alliance, works with patio installs. what do you think? Sweeping dg into the joints again, because some voids will have appeared after the first hose down, then hosing down again. Looks like it was not sealed properly. It got cut off mid-sentence and Id hate to miss anything important. Well, if the foundation and pitch all seem decent, then Id simply suggest removing the gator dust and replacing with stone dust. My customer wanted no transition between the pool and the patio..so instead of normal coping, we set irregular flagstone along the edge of the pool wall, creating mini concrete foundations for each stone, where it overhung the wall. Just shy of the top. My contractor is out of business so I cant even get hold of him. However, if you are telling me that you have 6 of compacted road base type gravel in place, and your flagstones are on top of that, with some sand as the leveling agent..then idk, but as a professional who cant afford to have my reputation messed withId take those flagstones back up and lay in screenings. Pea gravel is a great material for all sorts of yard projects. If you set your flagstones upon a gravel foundation/on a bed of sand or stone dustthen fill your joints with stone dust. It would compact into a pretty hard surface over time. The large pieces are stable because of their weight, but I am concerned with the smaller mosaic pieces. Glad you found the article useful! I dont know what type of drain they installed.or what they did wrong. Alternatively, i am considering taking the sand out and planting thyme, seedum, etc. Hi Devin, greetings from colorado. Help! Maybe half of those patios also have limestone screenings as the leveling agenthalf an inch to inch and a half limestone screenings beneath the flagstones as well as an inch or so on either side of the stones (the joints)never once have I seen a freeze-thaw issue, or any cracked flagstones on any of these jobs. If its dry laid, then everything should be dry laidno cement based products. Sorry for the delayed responseIve been busy finishing up with the years work before the winter sets in. Thank you. Gods peace. First off, thank you for all your posts. Thanks! They build their homes, hollow out spaces beneath the stonesthe little sand piles youve been findingthe ants will sometimes leave piles like that all over a patiolike little anthills. I have 1/4 minus which I used for the bed. Start your subscription today and save up to 70%. After that I have one side that I will change to/add retaining wall stone borders to better lock my stones in. Stays in place. If you leave the stone dust all the way filled to the top, its going to spill out and get everywhere. 2. Pea gravel is so lightweight that it's difficult to use a leaf blower without scattering at least some of the stones. Allowing the pea gravel to dry at least 24 hours between each coat. The two terms are often used interchangeably, but the two products should not be used interchangeably. Heres a patio, where for most of it, I set the flagstones maybe an inch to an inch and a half apartso thats already wider than usual, for mebut then, for the section of patio just past the deck and surrounding the pond, we set the flagstones more like 2 inches apart. So, I gave up on that. Youre doing a sitting wall too? Or falling matter from nearby trees can help cause that. Then I carefully used light spraying of water over the joints ensuring they were fully saturated to the full depth of the joint. Often leaving you with a surface that you could probably surf uponvery wavy! Fact is I need to build a demonstration, a small flagstone patio, and bind it up with a psyllium based aggregate stabilizer. When gravel shifts, it can expose the weed cloth underneath, letting weeds overtake the edges of your gravel walkway or driveway. Consequently, when you place chairs or tables on the gravel, it is less likely to be unsteady and cause furniture to fall over. But then, it its still more rigid and solid than we want, for flagstone joints. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Thanks in advance. Would love to find a sub-contractor to just do the work but two months of trying hasnt produced anyone. I prefer to keep them tighter, but 2 is doable. | Paver Base Panel vs. Gravel For Patio Base | Patio Ideas On A Budget. I really don't know what I'm doing so any tips are appreciated. Clay base, with about 4 of 1/4 clear gravel, followed by 1 of screening before putting down 20 X 20 patio slabs with next to nothing for gaps. Take a 1 paint brush and just apply sealant to the mortar joints, keeping the stone not sealed. I really liked the overall performance of Techniseal HP2 Polymetric sand; so I went with this as the final selection. We had a flagstone patio put in last year. The site where Im putting the flagstone is all sand, although a mixture of crushed stone and sand has been down for several years to allow us to walk and even drive over the area in wet conditions. Once the final coat is dried, test the pea gravel for stability. Chances are, they used a grout bag and soupy mortar mix.or just tuck pointed with somewhat wet mortar and didnt clean it up sufficiently while it was wet. Then the top inch or 2 with the stone dust. Just going to do a small area to see if it compacts. Please share any ideas. Im not sure what to do about the wasps so much maybe if you got the Moss firmly established it would stop looking like a good place for the wasps. By dirt, you must mean soil. I cant say too much about stabilized decomposed granite. Ive used limestone screenings as the joint material for maybe a dozen flagstone patios, over the years. Now I am stuck with what is the best material to fill the cracks. Does that sound like a possibility to you? This, I believe, answers your need for a walkway where most of the gravel stays in place, yet is still permeable. If so, dont use it. Likewise, you never joint with stone dust, sand, poly sand or DG in a wet-laid scenario. Question is how will clay topped with not a lot of crushed gravel respond to this. Should be fine. We probably will use large pre cut 2x3ft, 2x2ft and 21.5ft rectangular size stones. I had the poly sand removed and the quarry dust filled in its only been a week or so. Lay an inch of 1/4 minus (stone dust, oathway fines, DG) over this, screed out nice and level, hose down ( on the shower setting, dont soak) then tamp. Thanks. Very stylistic and attractive stone fitting, very beautiful and interesting contoursI know its a bummer having to re-do some of your work, but this patio is going to be amazing, and real soon too. &When i say irregular, i mean irregular. But after reading your postings I am not sure what to do. Your email address will not be published. Thanks. IF they did all of that stuff right, then such a chasm should not have formed. I plan to move every stone out to the opposite side and keep the pattern intact. Wondering if you might have a quick second to let me know your thoughts on a recent dilemma. All the flagstones should be lifted up, the sand replaced with screenings. However, it may be fine for DIY purposes. Joints are aging well. see if it works. I have 4 large, thick stones for the 4 corners and many med-large stones interspersed for stability. Best thing you can do to extend the life of your patio mortar joints, living in Colorado or any place with harsh wintersis to stay on top of the snow. I have a kennel enclosure with 4 10'x10' kennels and an exercise yard 30'x40'. When you re-lay you need to fit them bricks tighter. (even non-shrinking exterior grout). Also, Id wait at least 2 weeks before powerwashing over new jointsand at least that long, more like a month, before using acid. Ideally, wed have a slope of 1/4 per foot/ 1 over 4.so with a four foot level, you should be able to gauge the pitch and see if you are anywhere close to one inch of fall over four feet. It does not get dug out by ants, weeds cant grow through it and it does not wash out. Shady area you say? Thank you for any comments that you can provide. All around, cleaning up the poly sand haze is either a speculative affair, or a dangerous blow torch deal, best left to professionals! In my experience a wire-brush + elbow grease will get *some* of it up, when its fresh. It is helpful to see you are not a fan of the polymeric sand and the reasons why. But tiny cracks do form, and weeds will get in there, roots will grow, cracks will get worse. Good luck with your flagstone project! Psyllium husk joint binder is, as far as I can tell, a lot more natural than an acrylic based product. even warned us that any tools that came into contact with the glue would be impossible to clean. Do I nned to re-apply screening? Ditto what had been said here about using pea gravel. I just used stone dust (screenings) as a leveler and in between stones. Whether you're looking for a step-by-step guide on fixing an appliance or the cost of installing a fence, we've here to help. If you are building a dry stone patio then no, I do not recommend using a concrete border. Havent had any issues of stone dust getting into the pool, 3 years later. Do you use cold chisels or is a hammer enough? Pea gravel can be found in many kinds of landscapes and for various uses. I wound up reading your blog post on using poly in flagstone joints. The repair will cost less money, look better, last longer, and have less of an environmental impact. Actually, one extra stepthey like you to first excavate for your walkway, then lay out this plastic honeycomb material, then fill that honeycomb with clean gravelits a two inch thick honeycomb, then pour 2 of the gravel glue mix on top of that.so you need to get your excavation fairly level for the honeycomb to sit right.you also need to set an edging material of some kind before you pour the glue gravel stuffwe used two x fours, staked into place, which we removed after the walkway was set, after the glue had hardened. D-limonene. Thanks again! In a northern climate, cement misused in a dry laid application will almost certainly fail. We surrounded the design with the rest of the flagstones in a circle (resulting in a centre medallion type of look) and then they are laid randomly to the outer edge of the patio in a normal fashion. Flagstone: what to use, sand, cement, or gravel? How much foot traffic are we expecting? Anyway, I like to set flagstone on a foundation of road base, also-known-as 2A/modified gravel. Screed this gravel, nice and smooth, using a 4 long wooden level. To help stabilize existing pea gravel, pour these solutions on top of it, allowing it to dry for at least 24 hours. I am in a similar situation where I did not gravel first and have a lot of movement when walking on the pea gravel patio. As for the flagstone surrounding your firepityou said you placed the stone in natural dirt. We had flagstones placed in our outdoor shower about 5 years ago. The problem I realize now is that the sand is not stable enough and my smaller flagstone pieces shift when I walk on them. Am looking for the classic very light grey or whitewash joint color. remove it and install 1 1/2 size river rock. Well, i figured pavers are just big stones, and it works for them. So you may or may not have seen this article, where I talk about how I do not recommend sealing flagstone. Lets examine these advantages one at a time: Related content: One on one help is available. Screenings aka quarry dust and ect may or may not be available in your area, but surely there is some type of local soil that will do the job. Ive never studied it, never used it for a client and been unable to study its utility over the yearswhich is a major omission on my part. Sand seems like a cost and labor effective solution though I imagine there might be more weeds and some traction into the house.. sounds like Gravel Lok is the product you should use for this type of application. Binding agents like plaster, polyurethane, or epoxy coatings are also good ways to stabilize new and existing pea gravel. Placing a border around the perimeter of pea gravel paths and walkways is one of the best ways to stabilize pea gravel. Like 1 and a half feet wide would do itget all the way down to only one foot wide (surface area) at that thin, and it will wobble. And that is your preference? My husband who is a builder always goes to the product, which i always talk him out of, but cement is one that I cant seem to stop him from. Then allow it to dry for another 24 hours. They also connected the various sections with #4 re-bar so the patio is pretty stable as one piece. Take your time planning.consider taking a workshop if theres one available in your area. Or am I better of using top soil? All the local supply places are pushing the polymeric sand (gator dust) but the 2 contractors I am considering dont seem to know much about using it. Spread it all over and hosed it down into cracks. So, if that patio is dry laid, then I would remove the material from the joints at the same time I was pressure washing the stones surface. We just put in a flagstone patio using decomposed granite in between the stones. Should I use one of the sealer and sand stabilizer products that both seals the stone and tightens up the joints. Sounds like a lot of work and I have no place to dump the pea gravel. Wow, thats frustrating. 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